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	<description>A monster perfume habit. On a rampage... with a wanton waft of sillage in its wake.</description>
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		<title>by: Grace Arnone</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-13530</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello~

 
I would love to feature your interesting site on my own site www.freewebs.com/cleopatrasboudoir
 
If you give me a link, I might be able to post it on my homepage or in My Favorite Links area.
 
My website deals with vintage and antique perfume bottles. I just started to write a weekly blog on there on perfume information, company profiles and listing their vintage perfumes, bottle types, etc. I also have a perfume bottle gallery, discussion board, perfume bottle reference books for sale, and above all, I offer a vintage perfume bottle identification and appraisal service.
 
Please let me know if we can exchange links.
Thank you in advance,
Grace Arnone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello~</p>
<p>I would love to feature your interesting site on my own site <a href='http://www.freewebs.com/cleopatrasboudoir' rel='nofollow'>www.freewebs.com/cleopatrasboudoir</a></p>
<p>If you give me a link, I might be able to post it on my homepage or in My Favorite Links area.</p>
<p>My website deals with vintage and antique perfume bottles. I just started to write a weekly blog on there on perfume information, company profiles and listing their vintage perfumes, bottle types, etc. I also have a perfume bottle gallery, discussion board, perfume bottle reference books for sale, and above all, I offer a vintage perfume bottle identification and appraisal service.</p>
<p>Please let me know if we can exchange links.<br />
Thank you in advance,<br />
Grace Arnone
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		<title>by: Five Freebies Journalists (and Bloggers) Still Take</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-5247</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Whether it&amp;#8217;s tickets to a show, software, equipment, or some other product or service, the reviewer often gets the benefit of using a small- or big-ticket item for a period of time. Yes, it is work researching a review. No, when the product sucks, it&amp;#8217;s not much of a perk to be able to use it. A lot of media organizations insist on paying for entry to an entertainment event. Others don&amp;#8217;t see receiving &amp;#34;comp&amp;#34; tickets as a potential conflict of interest. See Toby Bloomberg on schwag-for-post, Scentzilla on perfume per-for-post, and my previous posts on the Nikon blogger program. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Whether it&#8217;s tickets to a show, software, equipment, or some other product or service, the reviewer often gets the benefit of using a small- or big-ticket item for a period of time. Yes, it is work researching a review. No, when the product sucks, it&#8217;s not much of a perk to be able to use it. A lot of media organizations insist on paying for entry to an entertainment event. Others don&#8217;t see receiving &quot;comp&quot; tickets as a potential conflict of interest. See Toby Bloomberg on schwag-for-post, Scentzilla on perfume per-for-post, and my previous posts on the Nikon blogger program. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Scentzilla!</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4587</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4587</guid>
					<description>Karthic - &quot;Caveat emptor,&quot; even with our reading material is an excellent policy to take to heart!

Hey kuri, that's okay. It's one of those things that is a bit more interesting for bloggers to talk about than it is for readers to read. But glad it's getting blogged by whole bunches of folks.

Patty, the whispery implications disturb me, too, but mostly because it's harder to deal with if we can't &quot;hear&quot; what the concerns are. If people talk, they'll talk, nothing to be done for it. Gossip is a function of human nature. But the fact that &lt;i&gt;no one&lt;/i&gt; directly asked any of the various perfume bloggers publically upsets me, since it makes it seem as if the issue was being regarded as a dirty secret, rather than simply a fact of how the PR industry works. That's not good, I don't want any blog's readers thinking they have to guess at motives rather than be able to talk about them explicitly and clearly. I have no clue if there was any sort of &quot;whisper campaign&quot; but I am sure many readers had their silent suspicions about many different sorts of bloggers, not just the perfume bloggers, when it comes to commercial asperations. Look at the whole Windows Vista laptop debacle, or the Dutch tourism brouhaha. Again, it's better that it's an issue openly addressed now by a lot of us, because the discussion itself is an invitation to readers to seek out transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karthic - &#8220;Caveat emptor,&#8221; even with our reading material is an excellent policy to take to heart!</p>
<p>Hey kuri, that&#8217;s okay. It&#8217;s one of those things that is a bit more interesting for bloggers to talk about than it is for readers to read. But glad it&#8217;s getting blogged by whole bunches of folks.</p>
<p>Patty, the whispery implications disturb me, too, but mostly because it&#8217;s harder to deal with if we can&#8217;t &#8220;hear&#8221; what the concerns are. If people talk, they&#8217;ll talk, nothing to be done for it. Gossip is a function of human nature. But the fact that <i>no one</i> directly asked any of the various perfume bloggers publically upsets me, since it makes it seem as if the issue was being regarded as a dirty secret, rather than simply a fact of how the PR industry works. That&#8217;s not good, I don&#8217;t want any blog&#8217;s readers thinking they have to guess at motives rather than be able to talk about them explicitly and clearly. I have no clue if there was any sort of &#8220;whisper campaign&#8221; but I am sure many readers had their silent suspicions about many different sorts of bloggers, not just the perfume bloggers, when it comes to commercial asperations. Look at the whole Windows Vista laptop debacle, or the Dutch tourism brouhaha. Again, it&#8217;s better that it&#8217;s an issue openly addressed now by a lot of us, because the discussion itself is an invitation to readers to seek out transparency.
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		<title>by: Patty</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4548</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 14:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4548</guid>
					<description>Thanks for posting this!

I think the thing that is bugging me most in this whole kerfuffle is definitely not your original comment, which was based on your personal experience and brought up a question and an issue, and it was out in the open for anyone to see. What irritated me to no end is how your comment was then taken and whispered about, apparently for a while now, and there was this whole underground backlash happening, perhaps throwing tar at some bloggers -- whether rightly or wrongly, I have no idea since I don't participate in that crap, no time. 

It's that whisper campaign that really makes me itch with fury.  If people have issues, they should bring them up to the people they feel like accusing, not try and impugn their integrity in some backroom way, without ever making an accusation openly to the person involved.  Just to make it clear, I don't think you did that -- you just made a comment and went about your life.  I think others took your comment and started cococting some big conspiracy theory of blogger payola.

When the vintage refill thing surfaced, I did blog about it, posted links, and I also got a couple of psuedo-threatening (in a legal sort of way) from the person that I believe was the perpetrator, though they tried to pretend they were someone else in their e-mail.

If ever someone had an issue with me, our blog, or wanted to make an accusation, I would surely hope they would find their big, round ones and pony over to their e-mail editor and fire off that accusation so I/we could address it.  It is that surreptitious innuendo that is the most damaging thing to a community.  

Okay, having said all that, I absolutely do think the perfume blogging community should be transparent and keep their dealings with PR agencies out there as public information and be ready to respond if anyone asks, and they should note. I only get e-mails from one, and I normally ignore them, though I asked for samples once and got full bottles, which I promptly gave away and didn't review.  I know other bloggers have gotten bottles of things that they gave away that I never got. Do people assume that all bloggers get the same thing from the same companies? I don't think they should.  

Listne, if ever Serge and Freddie start sending me samples of their latest to review before everyone else, I'll be the first person posting about it and bragging, but since I don't think that's ever, ever going to happen, it should be a long wait.

Okay, I'll hush now. I hate whispering and gossip, which is the piece of this whole thing that chaps me, but the underlying issue I think is a great one to make sure we all address and think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this!</p>
<p>I think the thing that is bugging me most in this whole kerfuffle is definitely not your original comment, which was based on your personal experience and brought up a question and an issue, and it was out in the open for anyone to see. What irritated me to no end is how your comment was then taken and whispered about, apparently for a while now, and there was this whole underground backlash happening, perhaps throwing tar at some bloggers &#8212; whether rightly or wrongly, I have no idea since I don&#8217;t participate in that crap, no time. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s that whisper campaign that really makes me itch with fury.  If people have issues, they should bring them up to the people they feel like accusing, not try and impugn their integrity in some backroom way, without ever making an accusation openly to the person involved.  Just to make it clear, I don&#8217;t think you did that &#8212; you just made a comment and went about your life.  I think others took your comment and started cococting some big conspiracy theory of blogger payola.</p>
<p>When the vintage refill thing surfaced, I did blog about it, posted links, and I also got a couple of psuedo-threatening (in a legal sort of way) from the person that I believe was the perpetrator, though they tried to pretend they were someone else in their e-mail.</p>
<p>If ever someone had an issue with me, our blog, or wanted to make an accusation, I would surely hope they would find their big, round ones and pony over to their e-mail editor and fire off that accusation so I/we could address it.  It is that surreptitious innuendo that is the most damaging thing to a community.  </p>
<p>Okay, having said all that, I absolutely do think the perfume blogging community should be transparent and keep their dealings with PR agencies out there as public information and be ready to respond if anyone asks, and they should note. I only get e-mails from one, and I normally ignore them, though I asked for samples once and got full bottles, which I promptly gave away and didn&#8217;t review.  I know other bloggers have gotten bottles of things that they gave away that I never got. Do people assume that all bloggers get the same thing from the same companies? I don&#8217;t think they should.  </p>
<p>Listne, if ever Serge and Freddie start sending me samples of their latest to review before everyone else, I&#8217;ll be the first person posting about it and bragging, but since I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s ever, ever going to happen, it should be a long wait.</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll hush now. I hate whispering and gossip, which is the piece of this whole thing that chaps me, but the underlying issue I think is a great one to make sure we all address and think about.
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		<title>by: kuri</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4527</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 11:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>whoa!  Missed the whole debate, but your post was great.  I think you covered it all.  Personally, I would prefer that reviewers mention if they have received free samples of the item being reviewed.  It's just information that I would like to have.  Alternatively, if their policy is to not bother mentioning it, then that fact is similarly helpful.

Anyway, it's been fascinating to read everyone's opinions on this, so I'm glad the topic came up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa!  Missed the whole debate, but your post was great.  I think you covered it all.  Personally, I would prefer that reviewers mention if they have received free samples of the item being reviewed.  It&#8217;s just information that I would like to have.  Alternatively, if their policy is to not bother mentioning it, then that fact is similarly helpful.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s been fascinating to read everyone&#8217;s opinions on this, so I&#8217;m glad the topic came up.
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		<title>by: Karthic</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4521</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 03:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Katie,
You were right to bring the issue up. I respect you for doing so.
So far as blog readers are concerned, Caveat Emptor generally, and, in the case of perfume blogs, sample before buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie,<br />
You were right to bring the issue up. I respect you for doing so.<br />
So far as blog readers are concerned, Caveat Emptor generally, and, in the case of perfume blogs, sample before buying.
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		<title>by: Scentzilla!</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4486</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Helg - &quot;Excellent point and indeed instead of simply stating that we are above those things we should really question ourselves about those limits. Because it is a delicate issue.&quot; I think delicate is the key word here, no? It's not easy to figure this issue out on either an individual basis or for a whole community, and thus, one I think is worthy of continued discussion beyond the scope of just perfume bloggers. Thanks for letting me know about that link. However, I must note that I have no idea about any eBay brouhaha going on, so I'm not sure what to say about any of that. I know that there were some dishonest eBay sellers refilling older bottles with fake juice, and the perfume boards were going ape about it, but I've not personally witnessed any perfume bloggers engage in reselling freebies on eBay. (Of course, I haven't been stalking eBay for much of anything lately except for a couple highly specific items that I have email notices set up for, so perhaps my own observations are less than keen. I didn't even know about the refilled bottles until other blogs highlighted the sketchy practice and pointed out the methods used by some of the practioners to defraud bidders.)

Victoria O. - I think we all struggle. It's a fine line to tread sometimes, and made no less confusing by the fact that one of the valid outlets for receiving information are the PR firms themselves, not just directly from the house. &quot;I think if you read someone’s blog consistently you get to know the blogger. You either trust them or you don’t.&quot; I think you're dead on there: if you can get a feel for how a blogger overall manages their affairs, you tend to know better where they're coming from, and find their own objective subjectivity much more reliable as a consequence.

Victoria F. - I too am glad that we've got this out as a discussion topic. It's perhaps an overdue one to talk about, for that matter. I truly feel like by the very act of bringing the issue to the forefront in the way many of us have, it discourages poor practices from becoming widespread. If it's a known issue that fashion and beauty bloggers deal with these things, perhaps it gives readers a better critical eye for looking at all blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helg - &#8220;Excellent point and indeed instead of simply stating that we are above those things we should really question ourselves about those limits. Because it is a delicate issue.&#8221; I think delicate is the key word here, no? It&#8217;s not easy to figure this issue out on either an individual basis or for a whole community, and thus, one I think is worthy of continued discussion beyond the scope of just perfume bloggers. Thanks for letting me know about that link. However, I must note that I have no idea about any eBay brouhaha going on, so I&#8217;m not sure what to say about any of that. I know that there were some dishonest eBay sellers refilling older bottles with fake juice, and the perfume boards were going ape about it, but I&#8217;ve not personally witnessed any perfume bloggers engage in reselling freebies on eBay. (Of course, I haven&#8217;t been stalking eBay for much of anything lately except for a couple highly specific items that I have email notices set up for, so perhaps my own observations are less than keen. I didn&#8217;t even know about the refilled bottles until other blogs highlighted the sketchy practice and pointed out the methods used by some of the practioners to defraud bidders.)</p>
<p>Victoria O. - I think we all struggle. It&#8217;s a fine line to tread sometimes, and made no less confusing by the fact that one of the valid outlets for receiving information are the PR firms themselves, not just directly from the house. &#8220;I think if you read someone’s blog consistently you get to know the blogger. You either trust them or you don’t.&#8221; I think you&#8217;re dead on there: if you can get a feel for how a blogger overall manages their affairs, you tend to know better where they&#8217;re coming from, and find their own objective subjectivity much more reliable as a consequence.</p>
<p>Victoria F. - I too am glad that we&#8217;ve got this out as a discussion topic. It&#8217;s perhaps an overdue one to talk about, for that matter. I truly feel like by the very act of bringing the issue to the forefront in the way many of us have, it discourages poor practices from becoming widespread. If it&#8217;s a known issue that fashion and beauty bloggers deal with these things, perhaps it gives readers a better critical eye for looking at all blogs.
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		<title>by: helg</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4455</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 10:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, but since you mention it, you see I just went back and saw Cognoscented Blog and there is now a *new* entry commenting on Katie's post here (and clarifying the circumstances in which the original post was made: not to harm Katie at all; which she isn't by the way, not to the eyes of  anyone who posseses half a brain) and I think it sheds new light on those aspects and it's really *quite enlightening*. 

Quite so, indeed.

http://cognoscented.blogspot.com/2007/05/after-reading-what-scentzilla-had-to.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but since you mention it, you see I just went back and saw Cognoscented Blog and there is now a *new* entry commenting on Katie&#8217;s post here (and clarifying the circumstances in which the original post was made: not to harm Katie at all; which she isn&#8217;t by the way, not to the eyes of  anyone who posseses half a brain) and I think it sheds new light on those aspects and it&#8217;s really *quite enlightening*. </p>
<p>Quite so, indeed.</p>
<p><a href='http://cognoscented.blogspot.com/2007/05/after-reading-what-scentzilla-had-to.html' rel='nofollow'>http://cognoscented.blogspot.com/2007/05/after-reading-what-scentzilla-had-to.html</a>
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		<title>by: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4446</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 00:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In many ways, I am glad that we are discussing this. It is an important topic, and it needs to be addressed critically. Maybe, the way it was originally raised on Cognoscented blog was not the best way to do it, but oh well, what was done was done. The most important thing is that as the discussions on various blogs show, people are concious of these issues and have formed their personal codes of ethics. 

&quot;This issue is not one that can be resolved by any one blogger categorically stating that PR, advertising, and its attendant weight of influence does not unduly cloud their judgment. What we need is a collective transparency as a blogging community if we wish to continue to be taken seriously.&quot;

I cannot agree more with you on so many points you made. Blogs are not necessarily autonomous entities. 

Great post, Katie! Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways, I am glad that we are discussing this. It is an important topic, and it needs to be addressed critically. Maybe, the way it was originally raised on Cognoscented blog was not the best way to do it, but oh well, what was done was done. The most important thing is that as the discussions on various blogs show, people are concious of these issues and have formed their personal codes of ethics. </p>
<p>&#8220;This issue is not one that can be resolved by any one blogger categorically stating that PR, advertising, and its attendant weight of influence does not unduly cloud their judgment. What we need is a collective transparency as a blogging community if we wish to continue to be taken seriously.&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot agree more with you on so many points you made. Blogs are not necessarily autonomous entities. </p>
<p>Great post, Katie! Thank you.
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		<title>by: victorias own</title>
		<link>http://scentzilla.com/2007/05/11/looking-closer-at-blog-ethics-and-perfume-blogging/#comment-4445</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 22:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am quite shocked to hear of all this.  I guess I am not big enough to be offered payment, because I have not been approached.  I might be tempted to print the letter if I were. As for freebies and swag, If I dislike something it usually doesn't get a review.  I don't see the need to trash something that someone else might like. I'm not Consumer Reports. I doubt anyone is looking to me to point out the bad smelling perfumes, to save them from their buying disasters.  I prefer to write glowing reviews for things I love, that is when the words flow.  Otherwise I struggle.  I have been known to run press releases, but only to share the information about notes, rather than to paraphrase.  I think if you read someone's blog consistently you get to know the blogger.  You either trust them or you don't.   

A paid glowing review, might make me search out and sniff something, but I certainly would not buy anything I didn't like.  So if Blogger A gets paid for promoting Product X and Blogger B does not, yet both give glowing reviews, what is the difference if when you go to try the fragrance you hate it?  

I understand that it is ethics dilemma in question here but the bottom line is the consumer needs to be savvy.  People will be and are unscrupulous. Such is the current state of the world unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite shocked to hear of all this.  I guess I am not big enough to be offered payment, because I have not been approached.  I might be tempted to print the letter if I were. As for freebies and swag, If I dislike something it usually doesn&#8217;t get a review.  I don&#8217;t see the need to trash something that someone else might like. I&#8217;m not Consumer Reports. I doubt anyone is looking to me to point out the bad smelling perfumes, to save them from their buying disasters.  I prefer to write glowing reviews for things I love, that is when the words flow.  Otherwise I struggle.  I have been known to run press releases, but only to share the information about notes, rather than to paraphrase.  I think if you read someone&#8217;s blog consistently you get to know the blogger.  You either trust them or you don&#8217;t.   </p>
<p>A paid glowing review, might make me search out and sniff something, but I certainly would not buy anything I didn&#8217;t like.  So if Blogger A gets paid for promoting Product X and Blogger B does not, yet both give glowing reviews, what is the difference if when you go to try the fragrance you hate it?  </p>
<p>I understand that it is ethics dilemma in question here but the bottom line is the consumer needs to be savvy.  People will be and are unscrupulous. Such is the current state of the world unfortunately.
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